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Lorelei · Jul 15, 2005, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it? Also, we talk about Warrior as primary profession. If he/she has a secondary profession, would it complement better?

Primary warrior class has an advantage often overlooked: they could be content with only a few critical skill slots. So the warrior could use a few more skill slots for his secondary profession. That's where the warrior is dangerous.

Thrysta Edocsil · Jul 15, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

I say the Warriors rebel. If anyone from no one gives me any shit about being a warrior I will /sit just to piss them off. I dont go around saying M0nkS c4n7 74k3 m3 or stuff like that. It just seems warriors get most of the grief.

Phades · Jul 15, 2005, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Lorelei

Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it? Also, we talk about Warrior as primary profession. If he/she has a secondary profession, would it complement better?

Primary warrior class has an advantage often overlooked: they could be content with only a few critical skill slots. So the warrior could use a few more skill slots for his secondary profession. That's where the warrior is dangerous.

A warrior secondary almost implies an anti-warrior slant to the build with the inclusion of stances and shouts. Offense is usually more potent in any other job skill line, but there are a couple exceptions where there is not alot of direct offense available or is primarially a support option though. But then again, you dont really need 3-4 different skill trees dedicated to making something dead, only one really.

Celes Tial · Jul 15, 2005, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Lorelei

Would you rather have a team without any warrior on it?

For PvP, to be honest... yes. Unless I knew their skill bar, and was convinced they know how to play a warrior -very- well.

GranDeWun · Jul 15, 2005, 12:39 PM // 12:39

I play several classes, so I agree W damage is weak. But, in the random arenas, at least, the W ability to tank is not totally useless in the sense that if the match drags on, the W ability to keep putting out damage over time can be an asset. One other note: All Ws should carry an interrupting attack. Savage Slash, Disrupting Chop, whatever.
If I see a single issue that *might* need tweaking, it is the W vulnerability to Blindness. I'd settle for a stance that had no benefits other than making me immune to Blindness.

rickhunterx · Jul 15, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

i think that warriors are great but need to be tactically specialized, your secondary can make quite effective. for example, a warrior ranger possible could do some awesome damage with the strength (adding armor pen) the piercing damage from the bow and the bow skills mixed with the armor bonus of the warrior .....anyways u need a good combo of skills because theres no more *tanking* in PvP, everyone knows to avoid teh tank first and kill the casters....well thats just my opinon anyway lol (looks at the death count he has from PvP with his warrior/mo

lmao)

Dumachum · Jul 15, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

I like warriors becuase they're the class people run from.

Usually when a dozen or so mobs are running after the warrior.

Exar · Jul 15, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Its all about W/Mo, they suck and they are common.

I play W/E, i use conjure, immolation and offensive skills and dont use any def/heal skills.
Yes I die sometimes - but I can deal a serious amount of dmg.
And if I kill you fast you cant kill me.
I go against anticasters mainly, but against warrs i can deal a serious dmg too.

Cons : Im dependant on teammates (healers especially) but its TEAM anyway.
In pvp you are not meant to play alone. thats the philosophy.

Tanking makes your life longer. Killing makes your foe's life shorter.

1 Berserker Stance. (built adrenaline, then)
2 Severe Artery ( <<< )
3 Immolation (even more <<< )
4 Gash (wound )
5 Savage Stash (disrupter )
6 Final (to leave no hope with 100 hp hit)
7 Cojure (to add some dmg points + i dont have to worry about blade bonus for 60 secs, thats a loong time - (+15% while enchanted)
8 Sprint (to get to you)

Cheers

Edit: Im writing about pvp here of course.

generik · Jul 15, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Actually.. an experience I had with a party on Perdition rock did "awaken" me to this truth about warriors..

Traditionally, everyone seems to have a mindset that we MUST have warriors.

In that party (it was a skill cap run), it is like 4 mesmers, 2 eles, and the 2 hench healers.. and guess what? We cleared the island way faster than I've ever done before with majority warrior teams.

All those hex/conditions/nukes do count for something, if anything...

Wolfhound · Jul 15, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Since when? I've been playing the game since the betas and in PvE the mobs always go after the soft squishy casters at the rear (normally the monk first, then elementalist, then Mesmer). The only time they don't is when the warrior can intercept them.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

I LOVE the warrior... Hunters Shot + Pin Down + Throw Dirt + Poison or Kindle Arrow = warrior pwnage.

it's always fun to watch a tiny little ranger beating the crap out of this big hulking mass while he swings wildly at thin air

warriors are great for PvE...I'd hate to have to be the tank....PvP they're essentially useless

salja Wachi · Jul 15, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

i have had no problems as a warrior, and i love them. its almost necassary for any HoH group to have 1 (im always the only one for my groups). we can knock ppl down, or with axes we can go crazy on ppl with the right skills and buffs. i think a warrior can do great damage, and i can kill a caster in only a few seconds

lmao dude you need to play a bit more

come back when you have reached draknors forge and we can talk more

and the only way you are killing me is if i sac 80% health and go AFK for 3 minutes :P

Van the Warrior · Jul 15, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I LOVE the warrior... Hunters Shot + Pin Down + Throw Dirt + Poison or Kindle Arrow = warrior pwnage.

it's always fun to watch a tiny little ranger beating the crap out of this big hulking mass while he swings wildly at thin air

warriors are great for PvE...I'd hate to have to be the tank....PvP they're essentially useless

try killing a warrior when u cant do any of that stuff to them only noob warriors get pwned by rangers who use those moves

KvanCetre · Jul 15, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

I haven't bothered to read this thread - too much misinformation

All I have to say is: Try telling it to my hammer warrior who tears apart monks in no time.

I had to change over to warriors in random yesterday...a huge influx of mesmers(my normal Random Arena class) who had no idea what they were doing were easy pickins..

Yes, backfire my warrior... thank you, now fall down, go boom.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

try killing a warrior when u cant do any of that stuff to them only noob warriors get pwned by rangers who use those moves

wouldn't it be more benefitial to the thread to post how you'd counter....rather than inflating your e-ego by saying "only noob warriors blah blah blah".....

Van the Warrior · Jul 15, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

its called mend ailment very spammable and the right warrior never runs out of energy due to bonneti smart guy

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

its called mend ailment very spammable and the right warrior never runs out of energy due to bonneti smart guy

I <3 warriors like you....they got that elite attitude...think they're actually good at the game. it's fun to take out warriors like you.

salja Wachi · Jul 15, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by BigTru

My Warrior can deal as much damage as any other class (save Elementalists). Mabey you just weren't any good with Warrior when you tried it?

They don't shut down, but they can stop the foe from doing anything (which includes running/using signet/casting spells. Similiar, but not the same thing). Besides, we do more damage when we are knocking down than a mesmer that is shutting down.

Didn't know I had to heal others.

I do when I knock them down and kill them.

And mabey you are playing with crappy warriors?

There are plenty of ways to remove hexes. Furthermore, Distortion (which lasts for 5 seconds) can be countered by "Warrior's Cunning".

Not exactly my stregnth, but I've done it before. If your telling me you are playing a uber class that can take down anything that is specificaly designed to counter your build, you are a horrible liar.

I can remove the blind, but mabey you should see above? Besides, I thought nobody attacked Warriors first?

Fair enough, but mabey you should see what I said about Earth Eles?

The funny thing is, I do. I can easily kill a monk by going through one round of knockdowns. If I specialize in damage, I can kill them quite eassily, too.

Don't make me laugh. Conditions are easily removed.

Meh... Most people in the tombs are specificaly designed to take down casters, anyways.

Purge Condition, Antidote Signet, Plague Sending, etc. Really, conditions are ridiculously easy to remove. Almost every class has a way of removing them.

Skills You Should Know

Warrior: Swift Chop, Irresistable Blow, "I Will Survive", Griffon Sweep, Warrior's Cunning, Wild Blow

Monk: Contemplation of Purity, Purge Conditions, Purge Signet, Remove Hex, Convert Hexes, Mend Ailment, Mend Condition, Restore Condition, Smite Hex

Necromancer: Plague Sending, Plague Signet, Plague Touch

Anyways, I didn't make this thread so that everyone could rush in and give their flames to warriors and tell us about how much our profession sucks and how we're useless in PvP.

If you must, please create a thread about flaming Warriors instead of highjacking my thread. Thanks.

umm yo uwant to tell me where you are goign to get yoru energy from to do all this??

please man i know you are proud of what you do and you should be but the simple truth is any caster worth his salt is gonna smoke you 1v1. it does not mean he is better than you it just mens his character is stronger

that is the way the game is set up yo have no control over it.

so deal with it and have fun playing

sino-soviet · Jul 15, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I don't know where this information is coming from. Easily countered? Somewhat. But low damage? I think not. I dare those who criticize warrior damage to run a build with battle rage, and solely adrenaline axe attacks and damage buffs. Not low damage anymore.

On the other hand, sword warriors are comparatively weaker in pvp, I think.

And Van, just stop while you are ahe...erm...behind. I agree with Agren Cole 100% about warriors being suscetible to easy counters and crippling conditions. But anyone who criticizes warriors and talking about their low damage is just plain ignorant.

Van the Warrior · Jul 15, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I <3 warriors like you....they got that elite attitude...think they're actually good at the game. it's fun to take out warriors like you.

lol you think im an elitist

toe to toe vs a warrior the moves you listed wouldnt hurt them and yeah 5 plat says you fight against W/Mo with their secondary set to the Healing Attribute, try fighting against a protection warrior who can completly heal himself and not sustain any damage whatsoever its gonna be funny when all you can depend on is the dot from your poison which will be healed FAST and yeah a Sword/Protect warrior can completly heal himself conditions/health very well